I often think about Amadeus because there is a huge spiritual lesson in Saliere's angst/envy/anger over Mozart surpassing him without any effort (seemingly). In one scene Saliere is talking to God, asking why give me the desire to make music without the talent for it? Here's the rub. Saliere didn't desire to make music simply for the joy of music. Art for art's sake, in other words. Unconditional art. Nope. Saliere wanted acclaim and status out of his musical compositions. He wanted to prove himself worthy by composing music that listeners hailed as great. Meanwhile, Mozart lives a "dissolute" life yet brilliant passionate music pours out of him onto the written page without error or rework. He just makes music unconditionally. It's too much for Saliere's limited self-love to comprehend.
Absolute masterpiece, thank you Remy. Another jewel from the 80's, in my opinion is S.Frears' "Dangerous Liasions", adaptation from the epistolary novel of Laclos. I read the novel after the film and I can say it is a complex, awesome work, in part thanks to Christopher Hampton's script, winner of an Oscar.
Stunning film that. this thread inspirws me to watch amadeus again. i think the "Rock me Amadeus" pop song that came out with it undermined the depth of the film.
This is a great little series. I’d love to read more about cutting and editing. The obvious example, of course, would be Eisenstein, yet I’d be curious about your perspective on the iconic scene from Orson Welles’ „The Third Man,“ where Harry Lime appears and disappears by night: the almost expressionistic setting, the cat in the doorstep and Lime’s shiny shoes, the sudden spotlight, the camera zooming in, Welles’ masterly mimics, the echo of his steps when he disappears–it’s just one heck of sequence.
The scene when he first meets him under the table and is immediately hellbent on stealing an opportunity or joy he can due to thinking Mozart unworthy and pious he was. Upon second watching its telling. The Requiem scene is beautiful in that's is Shellyesque Gothic.
I adored this film when I first saw it in the theater. Your exploration here as a student of film makes me want to rewatch it. One flick I adore and would love to know what you think is Malick's 2011 The Tree of Life. Would love your take on this one.
My parents had a Betamax before a VHS player and this (and The Karate Kid) were the only two movies we had tapes of. I watched this movie so many times from 8-10 years old that they are forever burned into my heart. I even got married to "Serenade for Winds" b/c of Saliere's analysis of it at the beginning of the movie.
I love this movie, recently watched it again on Netflix just a month ago. Powerful cinemaphotography. I related to what you said, "When someone just has enough talent to see true genius, but not enough to produce it himself—and suffers for this reason." That captures this movie completely. The theme that is the downfall for them both. The gift, the amazing music that is still with us today!
As an entertainer I’ve seen that dynamic played often. Performers having a love-hate relationship with another artist. French I felt invisible daggers hit me. Lol! And as a performer you have to maintain a certain amount of narcissism to express yourself so boldly, so jealousy easily flies in that industry.
Randy, my husband is an amazingly gifted musician. He has a very close who loves music with a passion, but has no talent. I’m not being harsh, but as a religious person he’s yelled at God for not giving him musical ability. I often him in jealous moments when discussing my husband’s talent.
The one lesson I’ve learned about jealousy, is when you desire to have someone else’s talent and fame, you stop focusing on yourself. When that happens you obsession keeps you from finding your own greatness. Brilliant Remy! ✨🤗💖
The great shadow becomes real. We all have acquaintances at various levels with shadow. That opera can deliver the message in a unique fashion both visual and auditory is stunning. Thank you for the reminder..
without spoliers its hard to be specific about a particular scene in "the Arrival" towards the very end of the film which made me go... "oh my God of course!" and (as someone that tried for years to have children but cannot) well up with tears in the cinema.
I often think about Amadeus because there is a huge spiritual lesson in Saliere's angst/envy/anger over Mozart surpassing him without any effort (seemingly). In one scene Saliere is talking to God, asking why give me the desire to make music without the talent for it? Here's the rub. Saliere didn't desire to make music simply for the joy of music. Art for art's sake, in other words. Unconditional art. Nope. Saliere wanted acclaim and status out of his musical compositions. He wanted to prove himself worthy by composing music that listeners hailed as great. Meanwhile, Mozart lives a "dissolute" life yet brilliant passionate music pours out of him onto the written page without error or rework. He just makes music unconditionally. It's too much for Saliere's limited self-love to comprehend.
I agree there is a big spiritual lesson in this. Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
Absolute masterpiece, thank you Remy. Another jewel from the 80's, in my opinion is S.Frears' "Dangerous Liasions", adaptation from the epistolary novel of Laclos. I read the novel after the film and I can say it is a complex, awesome work, in part thanks to Christopher Hampton's script, winner of an Oscar.
Thanks Rafa. I love Stephen Frears! He was my tutor at film school and I love his work.
Stunning film that. this thread inspirws me to watch amadeus again. i think the "Rock me Amadeus" pop song that came out with it undermined the depth of the film.
This is a great little series. I’d love to read more about cutting and editing. The obvious example, of course, would be Eisenstein, yet I’d be curious about your perspective on the iconic scene from Orson Welles’ „The Third Man,“ where Harry Lime appears and disappears by night: the almost expressionistic setting, the cat in the doorstep and Lime’s shiny shoes, the sudden spotlight, the camera zooming in, Welles’ masterly mimics, the echo of his steps when he disappears–it’s just one heck of sequence.
The scene when he first meets him under the table and is immediately hellbent on stealing an opportunity or joy he can due to thinking Mozart unworthy and pious he was. Upon second watching its telling. The Requiem scene is beautiful in that's is Shellyesque Gothic.
I adored this film when I first saw it in the theater. Your exploration here as a student of film makes me want to rewatch it. One flick I adore and would love to know what you think is Malick's 2011 The Tree of Life. Would love your take on this one.
Thanks Mary, I'll check it out!
My parents had a Betamax before a VHS player and this (and The Karate Kid) were the only two movies we had tapes of. I watched this movie so many times from 8-10 years old that they are forever burned into my heart. I even got married to "Serenade for Winds" b/c of Saliere's analysis of it at the beginning of the movie.
That's amazing :)
I love this movie, recently watched it again on Netflix just a month ago. Powerful cinemaphotography. I related to what you said, "When someone just has enough talent to see true genius, but not enough to produce it himself—and suffers for this reason." That captures this movie completely. The theme that is the downfall for them both. The gift, the amazing music that is still with us today!
Thanks for this. I've always loved this movie. Forman does the 18th century really well. I assume you've seen his Valmont?
A very long time ago and only once, but I do love Forman in general.
As an entertainer I’ve seen that dynamic played often. Performers having a love-hate relationship with another artist. French I felt invisible daggers hit me. Lol! And as a performer you have to maintain a certain amount of narcissism to express yourself so boldly, so jealousy easily flies in that industry.
Randy, my husband is an amazingly gifted musician. He has a very close who loves music with a passion, but has no talent. I’m not being harsh, but as a religious person he’s yelled at God for not giving him musical ability. I often him in jealous moments when discussing my husband’s talent.
The one lesson I’ve learned about jealousy, is when you desire to have someone else’s talent and fame, you stop focusing on yourself. When that happens you obsession keeps you from finding your own greatness. Brilliant Remy! ✨🤗💖
Thanks Charlotte!
My pleasure @Remy Bazerque ✨💖🤗
The great shadow becomes real. We all have acquaintances at various levels with shadow. That opera can deliver the message in a unique fashion both visual and auditory is stunning. Thank you for the reminder..
You're welcome Judy.
I was young when I watched Amadeus for the first time. But even as a child I knew it was high art.
I saw the film multiple times when it came out in theaters. It was extraordinary.
without spoliers its hard to be specific about a particular scene in "the Arrival" towards the very end of the film which made me go... "oh my God of course!" and (as someone that tried for years to have children but cannot) well up with tears in the cinema.
Thank you for this-I'll try and watch the movie now
And of course it reminded me:
https://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/rus-pushkin-3tragedies.pdf
really luxuriated in your analysis Remy. amazed by the candle behind salieri. never noticed that before!
one scene that stays with me is the hospital corridor scene in exorcist III. The tension is amazing. not exactly high brow film however!
Thanks Nick! I'll check it out.
Geraldine Chaplin with the school buses in "Nashville."
Altman approved improv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrn-OprEMLI
Thanks Peter I'll check it out!